Things that don't make sense...???

I smoke a pipe sometimes.

There are also cigarettes that aren't filled with nasty additives, chemicals, etc. Of course, that doesn't mean they're good for you, but still.

wow.

Some of those look rather appetizing, actually. Apple juice... Cocoa... Cinnamon... om nom nom nom nom

Seriously, though. I KNOW. Cigarettes aren't good for you. Dang... neither are greasy hamburgers or loud music or long walks in the rain or breathing smog-filled California air. Or much of anything else, for that matter.

Sure, you can abstain from all tobacco, alcohol, and caffeine, live on cardboard and water, jog seventy miles a day, and breathe only the purest of mountain air, and you'll probably live to be 108 years old or whatever. But you'll still die, and you won't have had nearly as much fun as me

(awaits the inevitable "WELL, lung canther thertainly ithn't my idea of fun")

ear-sighted wrote:

Donald effin' Duck wrote:Yeah, but is that really because of smoking-related health problems, or something else? Remember, correlation =/= causation.

Also, obesity costs more than smoking.

The article I mentioned was specifically talking about medical issues caused by smoking, not so much other issues. I agree, on the obesity issue, which is why I mentioned that smoking is obviously not the only way people are knowingly creating preventable medical problems.

Most cigs are loaded with chemicals. Pipes, depending on what you are smoking of course, are prolly not packed with killer chemicals like cigs...But that is just a guess, I don't know much about pipe smoking tobacco.

well there is pipe tobacco thats sprayed with perfume and all kinds of nasty sheisse, but there is also alot of pure tobaccos straight from teh leaf. i find it interesting to see pipe smokers often get pretty old, at lest if you compare to those that smoke ciggs.
just take tolkien and his gang, they lived to be pretty old compared to the average lifespan back then. and they smoked ALOT.... we are probably talking minimum one or two fills a day. Lewis did die of sickness but it was not cancer.

Donald effin' Duck wrote:Some of those look rather appetizing, actually. Apple juice... Cocoa... Cinnamon... om nom nom nom nom

Seriously, though. I KNOW. Cigarettes aren't good for you. Dang... neither are greasy hamburgers or loud music or long walks in the rain or breathing smog-filled California air. Or much of anything else, for that matter.

Sure, you can abstain from all tobacco, alcohol, and caffeine, live on cardboard and water, jog seventy miles a day, and breathe only the purest of mountain air, and you'll probably live to be 108 years old or whatever. But you'll still die, and you won't have had nearly as much fun as me

(awaits the inevitable "WELL, lung canther thertainly ithn't my idea of fun")

so true... i don't care for old age, when i can't care for myself anymore i wanna die, no stupid fudge is gonna wipe my butt. i wanna drink what i like,smoke what i like, say what i want, and then die before the brain starts falling apart.
the oldest person in my family that died while i was old enough to remember was my dads grandpa. i never met my moms grandpa, but her half of the family is the part that i have gotten most of my looks and personality from, and i think i might have had alot in common with him, mom says my room smells just like his did, pipe tobacco, oilpaint and dusty books/stuff everywhere. he walked straight into a lake when he felt he was starting to loose it and neither he wanted to have his butt wiped. if i get that old, maybe i'll honor his memory

Donald effin' Duck wrote:Some of those look rather appetizing, actually. Apple juice... Cocoa... Cinnamon... om nom nom nom nom

Seriously, though. I KNOW. Cigarettes aren't good for you. Dang... neither are greasy hamburgers or loud music or long walks in the rain or breathing smog-filled California air. Or much of anything else, for that matter.

Sure, you can abstain from all tobacco, alcohol, and caffeine, live on cardboard and water, jog seventy miles a day, and breathe only the purest of mountain air, and you'll probably live to be 108 years old or whatever. But you'll still die, and you won't have had nearly as much fun as me

(awaits the inevitable "WELL, lung canther thertainly ithn't my idea of fun")

Well, I definitely don't abstain from anything in particular...Caffeine, wine, beer and water are necessary for me to function in life. Ash can tell you, I drink wine every chance I get, I love the stuff. At least I got lucky that wine is good for you in certain ways.


As a vegetarian, I don't have the option of a greasy burger but I certainly enjoy all sorts bad foods...

It is more a matter of moderation more so than the actual food, drink or vice in question...

I do exercise. But, I feel 3000x better when I do it. So, I enjoy that every bit as much as a glass of wine. At the same time, I got rid of my car and got a bicycle. Everywhere I go, is by bike...work, shopping or whatever...San Diego is valleys and mountains, so the ride isn't exactly easy a lot of the time. So, I cannot really avoid exercise. I enjoy riding a bike so much more than the car.

I am more concerned with quality of life while I am here not living forever. I don't understand how it is fun for people who are so out of shape they can't walk up a hill or touch there toes. Or people with severe medical issues they brought on themselves and are constantly in pain or suffering.

As for smoking, well...that is just fine, in moderation just like anything else. Pipe tobacco is enjoyable, but cigs don't seem to offer anything. Therefore I don't get what the appeal of smoking is, as in people who smoke packs a day and such. At least with beer, it tastes good and makes you tipsy.


How did a random pic of a snail turn into all this??

Heh, good post. I got a little annoyed back there, sorry... everyone tells me I shouldn't be smoking IRL, even though I don't do it very often.

Just so you know, I'm not some kind of fat, debauched slob...

I'm actually starting back onto a pescatarian diet after a bit of a hiatus. I looked back and realized that I've felt awful eating red meat. I was a vegetarian for a while as well, and certainly can't speak ill of the lifestyle.

If I didn't have to drive to work, I'd probably walk nearly everywhere. I live in a beautiful, historic, and extremely pedestrian-friendly area of town.

I don't drink as often or in as large amounts as I used to. Mostly just a beer after work. I do love tobacco, though, in all its forms apart from snuff. I smoke a pipe, hookah sometimes, and cigarettes sometimes. They all have different appeals to me- sometimes I want one, sometimes I want another. As a former pack-a-day smoker, though, I have to be careful sometimes.

I understand where you're coming from on quality of life. If I do get old, I want to be spry and smart, not feeble and weak. How best to go about achieving said spryness, though, is something I'm going to have to work on.

Thus ends my ramble.

Well, if your a hobbit or a wizard, you have to smoke occasionally.

Donald effin' Duck wrote:Heh, good post. I got a little annoyed back there, sorry... everyone tells me I shouldn't be smoking IRL, even though I don't do it very often.

Just so you know, I'm not some kind of fat, debauched slob...

I'm actually starting back onto a pescatarian diet after a bit of a hiatus. I looked back and realized that I've felt awful eating red meat. I was a vegetarian for a while as well, and certainly can't speak ill of the lifestyle.

If I didn't have to drive to work, I'd probably walk nearly everywhere. I live in a beautiful, historic, and extremely pedestrian-friendly area of town.

I don't drink as often or in as large amounts as I used to. Mostly just a beer after work. I do love tobacco, though, in all its forms apart from snuff. I smoke a pipe, hookah sometimes, and cigarettes sometimes. They all have different appeals to me- sometimes I want one, sometimes I want another. As a former pack-a-day smoker, though, I have to be careful sometimes.

I understand where you're coming from on quality of life. If I do get old, I want to be spry and smart, not feeble and weak. How best to go about achieving said spryness, though, is something I'm going to have to work on.

Thus ends my ramble.

Rambling is a good thing...it shows passion of some sort...better than having no opinion, no?

I don't think everyone has to be a vegetarian necessarily but I would advise that people research where the meat is coming from and how it is processed...Some of the info might shock you. I just have a lot of compassion for all creatures on earth and don't think I need meat to survive, which is why I am a veggie.

I understand pipes and hookah, they have so many flavors to offer and neither are usually smoked all day long. Cigs are fun every now and then, but don't really seem to offer much, other than a "fix".

Riding a bike is most definitely great. I have a totally different perspective on my surrounding. It is amazing how much small detail you miss speeding around in a car. Stupid little things, like certain plants, trees, alley ways, and so on...Best thing about it, is the small amount of time I get to be outside and "free" and able to wonder around and breath some air.

I was googling snails and tobacco together and found out that people use tobacco leaves to keep snails under control in their garden. I don't know, maybe it attracts them and then kills them?

Dont really care enough about either one to look further. as for pipe smoke, I think it is the way it burns slowly, not like a cigarette in paper, which is exposed to more air. less smoke produced.

And when have you ever been in a room full of smoke from a bunch of pipe smokers?

yea.. I have never had a problem from pipe smoke... plus it's not usualy 'inhaled" by the smoker.. but rather puffed.

traditional pipe/cigar smoke does not need to be sucked down deep like a cigarette. it can just like snus (which i don't do because it erodes your mouth in several ways+you look like a regular swedish hillbilly ) access your system while still in your mouth. this way your lungs get alot less smoke and takes alot less damage

you simply have it in your mouth for a short while to let it have its effect, then you blow it out to feel the taste

"regular swedish hillbilly".. I'd like to see that.

in scandinavia no intelligent person no longer wants to practice farming... if a smart kid is born at a ranch or farm he will most likely move for a urban area. because of that we have gotten some sort of hillbilly culture. cars + crappy beer + crappy music + Moonshine + crappy tobacco under the lip... and they are all stupid